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		<title>By: V.Vellos</title>
		<link>http://blog.allthedumbthings.com/2007/05/16/two-weeks-in-hell-belize-city-belize/comment-page-2/#comment-14384</link>
		<dc:creator>V.Vellos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the owner of this blog. I have decided that it is probably best if you disregard my last comment, since you are wondering if you should post it. Also, I realize that I probably should have reread your original post before I responded to your comment to my original comment. At the end of the day, we could be at this all day because intrinsically I have one view and you have another. Thank you for your consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the owner of this blog. I have decided that it is probably best if you disregard my last comment, since you are wondering if you should post it. Also, I realize that I probably should have reread your original post before I responded to your comment to my original comment. At the end of the day, we could be at this all day because intrinsically I have one view and you have another. Thank you for your consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: V.Vellos</title>
		<link>http://blog.allthedumbthings.com/2007/05/16/two-weeks-in-hell-belize-city-belize/comment-page-1/#comment-14363</link>
		<dc:creator>V.Vellos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 15:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add a little bit more to my comment posted in 2008, since I received a response from the owner of this blog: 

- You don&#039;t have to spend vast sums of money to spend time in a nice hotel here in Belize. You are earning US dollars and can afford anything here in Belize. The exchange rate is $2 to $1. In addition, if you spend your time at the Belvue Hotel, which is located not too far from a bar and situated in front of a street that is the hang out site for degenerates, these are the people you will meet. If you understand the principle of real estate, you know that Location matters! If you spend your time in a guest house on the north side, you may not encounter such &quot;low lifes&quot;. You may pay a bit more, but definitely something you can afford. 

Anywhere you go in Belize you will encounter locals, whether you go on the south side or the north side. However, those persons who are enterprising work and you will not encounter them hanging out on the streets just waiting to have a conversation with a tourist for the most part. From the pictures you posted it seems that you were looking for what looks old and interesting to you. Should the country be blamed because that was your interest. If you meet a weed smoker, what do you expect to hear from that person who is hanging out on the streets? Do you expect them to speak your language? If they did, they probably would have a steady job. A nice place to have visited is the Bird&#039;s Isle Restaurant. There you would have encountered a different set of people - those who work who chose to have lunch there instead of going home to eat mid-day. These people are locals and would provide the intellectually stimulating discussion it seemed that you craved. 

On another note, when you judge certain aspects of our culture for not being original, did you stop to think about your own culture and what aspects of it is original and what aspects are imported. America is a country of immigrants. If today you embrace pizza, for example, and say it is American, did it originate there. As far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong, the indigenous were the Native American Indians. Today America seems to adopt anything..... yoga - this is foreign, all the pagan religions of the east now have a lovely home in America, even the Muslim. Should I then judge America the way you judge my country for being influenced by Jamaica. No, I don&#039;t think so. For when you judge, you condemn yourself because you do not judge from a righteous standard and are guilty, somewhere in the midst of it, of the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add a little bit more to my comment posted in 2008, since I received a response from the owner of this blog: </p>
<p>- You don&#8217;t have to spend vast sums of money to spend time in a nice hotel here in Belize. You are earning US dollars and can afford anything here in Belize. The exchange rate is $2 to $1. In addition, if you spend your time at the Belvue Hotel, which is located not too far from a bar and situated in front of a street that is the hang out site for degenerates, these are the people you will meet. If you understand the principle of real estate, you know that Location matters! If you spend your time in a guest house on the north side, you may not encounter such &#8220;low lifes&#8221;. You may pay a bit more, but definitely something you can afford. </p>
<p>Anywhere you go in Belize you will encounter locals, whether you go on the south side or the north side. However, those persons who are enterprising work and you will not encounter them hanging out on the streets just waiting to have a conversation with a tourist for the most part. From the pictures you posted it seems that you were looking for what looks old and interesting to you. Should the country be blamed because that was your interest. If you meet a weed smoker, what do you expect to hear from that person who is hanging out on the streets? Do you expect them to speak your language? If they did, they probably would have a steady job. A nice place to have visited is the Bird&#8217;s Isle Restaurant. There you would have encountered a different set of people &#8211; those who work who chose to have lunch there instead of going home to eat mid-day. These people are locals and would provide the intellectually stimulating discussion it seemed that you craved. </p>
<p>On another note, when you judge certain aspects of our culture for not being original, did you stop to think about your own culture and what aspects of it is original and what aspects are imported. America is a country of immigrants. If today you embrace pizza, for example, and say it is American, did it originate there. As far as I know, and correct me if I am wrong, the indigenous were the Native American Indians. Today America seems to adopt anything&#8230;.. yoga &#8211; this is foreign, all the pagan religions of the east now have a lovely home in America, even the Muslim. Should I then judge America the way you judge my country for being influenced by Jamaica. No, I don&#8217;t think so. For when you judge, you condemn yourself because you do not judge from a righteous standard and are guilty, somewhere in the midst of it, of the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Belize is hell &#8230; or is it? &#124; Sinnvolle Reise</title>
		<link>http://blog.allthedumbthings.com/2007/05/16/two-weeks-in-hell-belize-city-belize/comment-page-1/#comment-12942</link>
		<dc:creator>Belize is hell &#8230; or is it? &#124; Sinnvolle Reise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 11:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just stumbled upon a blog article by a bloke who spent 2 weeks in Belize city in 1983 entitled Two weeks in hell. Belize City, Belize. Quote: The “city” in Belize City is a scandalous misuse of the word “city”. From now on I [...]</description>
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		<title>By: razzbuffnik</title>
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		<dc:creator>razzbuffnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2011 13:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony

From what a lot of people here have said, I&#039;d say that not all of Belize is bad. It&#039;s just Belize City that I&#039;d steer clear of.

Just about any positive enterprise can&#039;t help but do good, so on that note I&#039;d say go for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony</p>
<p>From what a lot of people here have said, I&#8217;d say that not all of Belize is bad. It&#8217;s just Belize City that I&#8217;d steer clear of.</p>
<p>Just about any positive enterprise can&#8217;t help but do good, so on that note I&#8217;d say go for it.</p>
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		<title>By: not going now</title>
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		<dc:creator>not going now</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading these comments. I will not go to Belize. I have seen the type and can only imagine not coming home. Thanks for the read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading these comments. I will not go to Belize. I have seen the type and can only imagine not coming home. Thanks for the read.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Collins</title>
		<link>http://blog.allthedumbthings.com/2007/05/16/two-weeks-in-hell-belize-city-belize/comment-page-1/#comment-12115</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 04:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting posts. We&#039;re developing animated screenplay that will feature Belize, and provide &quot;the story&quot; that resulted in the Great Blue Hole. We&#039;ll feature flora and fauna, Maya, caves, steep temples, the Forest King, along with an eclectic mixture of characters. It&#039;s a children&#039;s feature and believe it will bring world exposure to Belize. Are we making mistake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting posts. We&#8217;re developing animated screenplay that will feature Belize, and provide &#8220;the story&#8221; that resulted in the Great Blue Hole. We&#8217;ll feature flora and fauna, Maya, caves, steep temples, the Forest King, along with an eclectic mixture of characters. It&#8217;s a children&#8217;s feature and believe it will bring world exposure to Belize. Are we making mistake?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.allthedumbthings.com/2007/05/16/two-weeks-in-hell-belize-city-belize/comment-page-1/#comment-12005</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just been there and it&#039;s a shit-hole!</description>
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		<title>By: razzbuffnik</title>
		<link>http://blog.allthedumbthings.com/2007/05/16/two-weeks-in-hell-belize-city-belize/comment-page-1/#comment-11862</link>
		<dc:creator>razzbuffnik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 06:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the colour of the Belizean&#039;s skin that is the issue, it&#039;s the fact that they are culturally adrift and impoverished with no prospects.

I&#039;ve thought long and hard about the &quot;badass attitude&quot; and I think it comes from feeling disenfranchised. If you get locked out of the society you live in (for what ever reason, be it race, religion, culture or social status) you will get angry and hate right back at those making your life miserable. Any person who doesn&#039;t feel as though they are a part of society won&#039;t have the feelings of &quot;ownership&quot; that leads to better civic behaviour and a desire improve their surroundings. 

Unfortunately, people who have been left on the margins of society with no hope of change, compounded by years of mistreatment, disappointment and belittlement look to anti-hero stereotypes, and that&#039;s where I think the &quot;badass attitude&quot; comes from.

There is a huge difference between the ways how American and British TV show black culture and people. Up until recently, US TV has perpetuated the &quot;jive ass&quot; stereotype for African Americans whereas on English TV, blacks are generally shown as people (which is of course what they are) who just happen to look different to the indigenous people. 

When it comes to groups that I don&#039;t like, I&#039;ve decided that it&#039;s not what&#039;s on the outside that matters, it&#039;s what&#039;s on the inside. For me stereotypes are a type of cultural shorthand that has very little worth. To be honest, I don&#039;t like any kind of stereotypes and see such behaviour as an affect. I just wish people would relax and just be themselves instead of picking a personality off the TV to act out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the colour of the Belizean&#8217;s skin that is the issue, it&#8217;s the fact that they are culturally adrift and impoverished with no prospects.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought long and hard about the &#8220;badass attitude&#8221; and I think it comes from feeling disenfranchised. If you get locked out of the society you live in (for what ever reason, be it race, religion, culture or social status) you will get angry and hate right back at those making your life miserable. Any person who doesn&#8217;t feel as though they are a part of society won&#8217;t have the feelings of &#8220;ownership&#8221; that leads to better civic behaviour and a desire improve their surroundings. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, people who have been left on the margins of society with no hope of change, compounded by years of mistreatment, disappointment and belittlement look to anti-hero stereotypes, and that&#8217;s where I think the &#8220;badass attitude&#8221; comes from.</p>
<p>There is a huge difference between the ways how American and British TV show black culture and people. Up until recently, US TV has perpetuated the &#8220;jive ass&#8221; stereotype for African Americans whereas on English TV, blacks are generally shown as people (which is of course what they are) who just happen to look different to the indigenous people. </p>
<p>When it comes to groups that I don&#8217;t like, I&#8217;ve decided that it&#8217;s not what&#8217;s on the outside that matters, it&#8217;s what&#8217;s on the inside. For me stereotypes are a type of cultural shorthand that has very little worth. To be honest, I don&#8217;t like any kind of stereotypes and see such behaviour as an affect. I just wish people would relax and just be themselves instead of picking a personality off the TV to act out.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was delighted by your post about Belize. I had actually thought of smuggling someone through Belize to get them into the USA, but now I know why they have no immigration laws. Speaking of third-world shitholes, I have been to the Philippines four times, and not much has changed in forty years, except some of the roads are now paved. Scamming is a way of life there, and I have learned to expect it. Marcos stole about one hundred years of income from that country... and I mean one hundred years of national wealth from everybody there. Some of the old cronies are still in business, scamming as usual. It must be a cultural thing, like overdriven kareoke, and wowowee...
Funny that you mentioned the African-American badass attitudes. Today, the list of America&#039;s most dangerous cities was published, and almost without exception, they follow the same graph as the percentage of African-Americans in those cities. How unfortunate. I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was delighted by your post about Belize. I had actually thought of smuggling someone through Belize to get them into the USA, but now I know why they have no immigration laws. Speaking of third-world shitholes, I have been to the Philippines four times, and not much has changed in forty years, except some of the roads are now paved. Scamming is a way of life there, and I have learned to expect it. Marcos stole about one hundred years of income from that country&#8230; and I mean one hundred years of national wealth from everybody there. Some of the old cronies are still in business, scamming as usual. It must be a cultural thing, like overdriven kareoke, and wowowee&#8230;<br />
Funny that you mentioned the African-American badass attitudes. Today, the list of America&#8217;s most dangerous cities was published, and almost without exception, they follow the same graph as the percentage of African-Americans in those cities. How unfortunate. I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Logan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 09:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I will visit Belize soon. i am a very protective type person and have been know to protect myself and family by way of force. Last time my family was confronted by a group 3 men that made it very clear they intended physical harm and would  not go away I was forced to use a knife to protect us from harm. My wife and son were able to get away while I was able to inflict a good handful of knife wounds on the asailents. It took probaly less than 30 seconds, which felt like 10 minutes, before I could not keep them off of me. In the end I lost nearly 40% of my blood, 2 of my fingers were cut off, my left wrist was cut like a logger would cut a tree almost to the point off completly cutting my hand off. I suffered multiple punctures and lacerations to my face and shoulder because I had to duck my chin and raise my shoulders while the 3 men tried to slit my throat once i was on the ground. At some point I was able to grab a rock and hit one on the head. His buddies getting scared the police were comming and seeing they now had to drag their punk ass friend to do that finaly left. My point is my mistake was I didnt sink my the blade into these people. I just slashed them. I was hesitant I didnt want to kill them because I didnt want to go to prision. If Im in Beleize city and some jerk off gets in my wifes face and insults her and appears he may assault her can I stick him straight away so this time the thugs are the ones who are bleeding on the ground fighting for their lives? Just small background. i grew up in white in a black neighborhood. 95% of the people were great but 5% taught me that if the &quot;white boy&quot; gets scared then he gets dead. I know me I will not back down from confrontation. i will let insult go especialy in a country thats not mine. But if insult and shit talking gets to graphic and aggresive then I&#039;m gona do what i have to do. Maybe Belize isnt right for me at least the city. Doeas anyone know of an inexpensive beach oriented place that isnt so out of control a white person cant get off a plane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I will visit Belize soon. i am a very protective type person and have been know to protect myself and family by way of force. Last time my family was confronted by a group 3 men that made it very clear they intended physical harm and would  not go away I was forced to use a knife to protect us from harm. My wife and son were able to get away while I was able to inflict a good handful of knife wounds on the asailents. It took probaly less than 30 seconds, which felt like 10 minutes, before I could not keep them off of me. In the end I lost nearly 40% of my blood, 2 of my fingers were cut off, my left wrist was cut like a logger would cut a tree almost to the point off completly cutting my hand off. I suffered multiple punctures and lacerations to my face and shoulder because I had to duck my chin and raise my shoulders while the 3 men tried to slit my throat once i was on the ground. At some point I was able to grab a rock and hit one on the head. His buddies getting scared the police were comming and seeing they now had to drag their punk ass friend to do that finaly left. My point is my mistake was I didnt sink my the blade into these people. I just slashed them. I was hesitant I didnt want to kill them because I didnt want to go to prision. If Im in Beleize city and some jerk off gets in my wifes face and insults her and appears he may assault her can I stick him straight away so this time the thugs are the ones who are bleeding on the ground fighting for their lives? Just small background. i grew up in white in a black neighborhood. 95% of the people were great but 5% taught me that if the &#8220;white boy&#8221; gets scared then he gets dead. I know me I will not back down from confrontation. i will let insult go especialy in a country thats not mine. But if insult and shit talking gets to graphic and aggresive then I&#8217;m gona do what i have to do. Maybe Belize isnt right for me at least the city. Doeas anyone know of an inexpensive beach oriented place that isnt so out of control a white person cant get off a plane?</p>
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